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Post by Micah Keyshin on Oct 21, 2012 23:49:39 GMT -5
for all you town owners requiring an RP bio to join, quit your -Censored-. YOU ARE KILLING OUR SERVER. players want to join towns when they join the server they can think of the RP later, i dont give any <3s about any trouble they can cause, thats why we have MF mods to take care of crap. Let new players enjoy the game and invite them into <3ing towns.
Also why the <3 do you people make RP bios and not RP? for the mother<3ing name? what the <3 seriously. get into it. do some RP
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Post by Brindale on Oct 22, 2012 0:20:19 GMT -5
Well.... Askalot kind of killed off the last remnants of that idea But we really need to begin RPing more, true. First, wtf is this war? <_< All I know is that some sort of army is coming to Rull in a bit. Edit: Also, the "vets" are hardly likely to let non-RP people into their towns, + The Non-RP people will be shunned by mainstream AoC "society", and they can hardly afford 30k to start a town on their own. Maybe there should be non-RP towns that are a bit more organized than Askalot was.
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Post by kingmii on Oct 22, 2012 0:57:49 GMT -5
What about a town that you join while you get started like askalot but with someone experienced in charge. Like here is a place to stay where they experiment with RP and learn the ropes while leveling, making friends etc to the point where they are ready to join towns and fend for themselves. It would also give town owners a way to asses the quality of a player. If I had a spare 30k I would set this up I would but seeing as I don't maybe someone else can?
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Post by bobruk on Oct 22, 2012 1:00:00 GMT -5
I think what Mikey is saying, is quit with the RP bio needing all together. I told two players they needed one, they left. So I see where he is coming from. I will even make Mirkwood have a special non-rp area if I have to, since it is an awesome area to live in.
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Post by bobruk on Oct 22, 2012 1:02:57 GMT -5
Again, Mikey wants new players to stay. When we didn't have RP applications people invited nubs. So why not do it again. Nothing has changed and the only risk is keeping your good stuff in the open. I don't even do that unless its on an owned plot of mine.
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Post by fireblitz223 on Oct 22, 2012 2:32:18 GMT -5
Ezio what mikey says is to be done, we shall welcome new players into towns, if the owners let them in. Syrren invites anyone he can trust into his town.
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Post by sbongkh on Oct 22, 2012 4:27:08 GMT -5
I think what Mikey is saying, is quit with the RP bio needing all together. I told two players they needed one, they left. So I see where he is coming from. I will even make Mirkwood have a special non-rp area if I have to, since it is an awesome area to live in. Let's do it.
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Post by severare on Oct 24, 2012 16:56:34 GMT -5
I believe passing the blame onto a group of individuals, especially a group so small and required as town mayors, is ridiculous. For starters, most town owners worked incredibly hard at getting a town in the first place. While it may be free now, and a bit ago required a RP bio, many long-standing towns required the mayors to personally garner 30k, a massive fortune to the average player, and a feat few have managed. After extensively doing everything required for a town, I think it's only sane that the mayors should be able to dictate what's required to join.
On the note regarding RP, or the lack of it, I think the answer to that is stunningly obvious. I hate to say it, but instances where the entirety of the server role play (Characters, story, the world itself) is fast forwarded 10 years can REALLY put a damper on things. This almost REQUIRED certain people kill off their characters due to conditions and age pre-forwarding. General opinion about this totally random and unannounced butchering of the roleplay made many people not want to roleplay at all, and was rather a stupid idea. This also slaughtered a bunch of small standing RP stories between players, one such instance being an event so catastrophic it caused a massive feud between myself, a number of guardians and civilians, and the Blackwinds. Because of the forwarding, we had to completely drop that, because we couldn't play out the events. Requiring an accepted bio is a simple measure taken by many towns to ensure a creative player dedicated and ready to stay on the server, rather than inviting brand new people into town every time a noob logs on an ask to join "my faction", seeing my custom tag.
Regarding the note about MF mods, well, there's a LOT of dirty history there. I regret these events ever happening, as well as having to bring it up, but there have been numerous complaints, especially towards certain staff members in particular, that have gone all but unanswered in the past. Many mods are now inactive by ridiculous spans for their positions, bringing into question the activity and assurance any mods still on can give.
I can also vouch for people who aren't fin a powerful position to RP. There isn't dreadfully much to DO if you're not a major character, or an old character who has experience/riches IRP that they can utilize to enjoy themselves. Another thing that, whilst it may not at first appear to affect RP, heroes levels and the economy and wealth of players as a whole makes quite a large impact on RP. With the wiping of heroes with the map change (Something that due to a series of accidents took longer than expected with a lot more complications in the finished product.) it altered the character's of some people entirely. Datric and I, in the past, have taken on entire hordes of mobs by ourselves, sometimes numbering literally in the hundreds. With the new heroes, (Even with the new "Better" system where it's easier to level, albeit still a bit ridiculous compared to our old, working system) things like that can't happen, the RP is dampened, and things like people dying (Which has a massive effect if you're trying to RP) happen MUCH more often. It's very hard to enjoy yourself and keep up a good story whilst getting slaughtered by mobs every other second. It also cost people quite a bit of both G and items. Not everyone has the convenience of having items spawned in, and have worked quite hard at getting what they have. Sacrificing obscene amounts of said items for 5 minutes of combat-interrupted, predictable and repeated story line isn't that appealing.
This brings me to my last point, both the hardest for me to say, and probably the hardest for everyone to read. From my personal opinion, and the opinion of a frighteningly large amount of people spoken to, many of the problems come from poor server ownership. I'm not going to complain that you should change, it's your server. But it quite frankly, it makes me incredibly mad to see the blame passed to someone as trivial as town mayors, when myself and a large number of people have quit or all-but-quit entirely based on actions of you, Mike. The aforementioned heroes resets and 10 year time shift (Both generally if not entirely frowned upon by almost everyone but higher up staff), the failure to maintain discipline even in the most simplest of forms in staff members, removing or planning to remove perks that donors such as myself payed ludicrous amounts of money for, and many other reasons have caused this. And yes, regarding donating: I donated almost entirely for the perks gained from donating. I played AOC a lot, and did wish to support it, but seeing the perks nerfed or removed entirely like what's happening with them will only make donations dwindle even more. To summarize, while unfortunate, I believe that the blame rest with the only one who it feasibly could rest, Mike.
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Post by bobruk on Oct 24, 2012 21:25:26 GMT -5
Ryan. I understand your position, but if you quit the damn server, then why are you still active on the forums? Also, the RP bio requirement was Vexx's idea, not Mikey's. Even though Mikey owns the server, doesn't mean he doesn't allow his admins to run it. The bio needing actually does make new players leave, due to the fact that writing a bio is too much work just to join a town. I'll be honest, I found many things in your little "dick move" what you said. So, if you are gonna leave the server, leave the forums too because that was the most rude and dickish thing I ever saw.
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Post by severare on Oct 24, 2012 22:06:31 GMT -5
Bob, reread what I just said without your mind clouded in bias and assuming an offensive tone, then get back to me. And I mean re-read it in a whole, as in the entire thing, not forgetting something stated and then making a comment criticizing me on something obviously addressed. If you still don't get it, I'll go ahead and directly quote myself.
"it makes me incredibly mad to see the blame passed to someone as trivial as town mayors, when myself and a large number of people have quit or all-but-quit entirely based on actions of you, Mike."
This was not written with a hostile intent on slandering Mike or AOC, but as a complaint to notify everyone of the wrongdoing in blaming the wrong party. Whether the "admins" are running it or not, as well, makes little to no difference as he has overall say in the matter (Which he's proven in the past) and personally made this complaint.
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Post by kingmii on Oct 24, 2012 22:26:29 GMT -5
I think Ryan makes a some interesting points although he comes across as a little too emotional which weakens his arguments. Even if not still playing on the server Ryan has been an important part of the community and deserves to contribute his ideas still, actually its a pretty nice thing to do in some ways.
I agree that there are problems but rather than get angry at everybody we need to accept that this is an adjustment period and get on with things. I don't think we should be insulting Mikey, this server is something he provides to us and most of the time its pretty good, I ran a server for a while its its really hard to get things right and when people don't appreciate that it really quite upsetting. As for the veterans leaving the sever because its not as good as it was its a good riddance, we don't need people that weak who can't even uphold their duty to the community that has provided them with so much.
Edit: I wrote this before ryan replied to bob,
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Post by Orman Grandclaw on Oct 25, 2012 3:48:25 GMT -5
Ill be honest-this time I very much support Ryan's arguments. I will add that the function of the server very much depends upon the older players sticking to it, rather than the continued introduction of new players who would most likely leave regardless. Quality before quantity as they say.
On the subject of heroes, what perhaps is the most infuriating is the attitude that resetting of such is treated as a trivial event. People spend many hours in an extremely boring exercise of grinding to work through their levels, only for all this to be completely wasted. I don't know about the people who spend over 6 hours a day on this game, but people like me who actually have a life feel heroes wipes are no better than watching game saves being wiped by a malicious sibling.
On, RP, I feel that in addition to the fact that there was a random 10 year fast-forward (without any consultation with players), there is the extremely blatant god-modding by yourself. From what I have gathered about enchanted all-powerful swords, cleaving through whole armies of undead, and surviving an arrow to the chest, you might as well take on the role of Zicmagar himself. Sure, being the owner of the server awards additional rights, but it does not exempt you from basic RP laws that should be followed everywhere. It is just ironic that, being supposedly so significant in the events of the server, we still do not know what a Zicmagan actually is.
There will be no use in reducing my Karma further for once again disagreeing with your views, since I no longer count myself as a member of this decayed community.
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Post by bobruk on Oct 26, 2012 10:35:38 GMT -5
I skipped over this post because I felt like you all were saying the same thing, and I was basically right. I just want to say two things. First off, Mikey is a human. He will make mistakes. It isn't easy to run a server and make everyone happy at the same time, so give him a bit of a break. Also, if older players can't stick around to help get the server to its former glory, then good rliddance. Making a server isn't just about the owner, its also about player suggestions. That ten year lapse, I Mav suggested. That isn't the only thing people suggestedand admins have gone for. So if you aren't gonna try to get the server to its former glory, then why stay active on forums? Next time you get onAOC, remember, changeing the server to its original state doesn't happen overnight.
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Post by alwayzbored114 on Oct 26, 2012 15:42:47 GMT -5
Bob, please allow me the pleasure of showing you how far you have your head up Mike's ass: Yes, Mikey is Human, and does make mistakes. What he doesnt do, however, is try to fix them. Every problem that happens, he either waits for it to be fixed, BS's an answer, or just outright ignores it. Making mistakes is Human, but not even trying to correct them is just lazy. Why do you think players are leaving? Its not just "Oh, what happened to that server I played on for over a year? Meh, Ill just quit." There are specific reasons that people are leaving, myself included, which you are blatantly denying. Also, Mav did NOT suggest the 10 Year Time Lapse. Of all people, he is one of the least likely to have to, anyway. Me, Ryan, Datric, Mav, and Aku (among many others) were in the middle of a fairly large RP storyline, culminating to me about to take measures to hunt down Mav... then the 10 year jump happend, which pretty much nullified everything. Secondly on the topic of Player Suggestions, you don't even know. Me, Aku, and MANY other staff members have spent hours brainstorming ideas to fix problems and augment what elements we already have. Mike, however, never incorporates any of them. Vexx did, but since Mike put everything on him, Vexx left since it was more a job than a hobby. I'd say maybe 1 in every 100 suggestions gets even the slightest bit of attention, and even fewer get accepted. As for you calling Ryan's statement a "dick move", if you read it with an open mind, not clouded by bias, then it really does present many of the problems. Mike even said in Skype Staff Chat that it was a good read. If you don't understand this, please refer to this educational webpage: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_criticismAs for staying active on the forums, while I havn't been commenting, I have been reading certain stuff. Do you know why? Because I still like some of the people on AoC. While the management is -Censored- and we seem to be chasing our own tails in terms of improvement, the community was awesome (with a few exceptions). I realize that you were recently promoted, Bob, and have a new-found sense of importance and pride for the server, because I went through that too, but that doesn't mean you have to defend every little thing. If you seriously don't even admit that Mike has messed up, as well as the fact that the server is tanking, then you really need to take a step back.
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Post by Orman Grandclaw on Oct 26, 2012 16:45:08 GMT -5
Let me give a personal example of what players like me are leaving behind with the painful decision to leave. I have been on this server for more than a year now, and so far, have managed to make friends with a rather large selection of people of whom I would not be happy to lose contact to. I have contributed a massive framework of lore tailored very specifically to the RP of this server such that it cannot be recycled for use elsewhere. This is a compact description of what I myself would be leaving behind. Now consider that I am not the most active of players and there are other veterans besides me who would be leaving much more behind than me.
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