Weapons/Armor/Combat proposalR

[severare]

Recently, Datric and I have been talking, and we'd like to post the following list. Below is a rough description of what we believe could be, and should be, weapons and armor IRP. We'd appreciate if anyone had feedback on it, and your ideas on it as a community in large. We'd like to see the RP staff's take on this, and their decision on possibly enacting some or all of these.



Swords

Diamond sword - Longsword/Claymore
Iron sword - Shortsword/Dirk
Wooden sword - Practice sword

Clubs/Blunt weapons

Stick - Cudgel, club (Situational)
Diamond pickaxe - Double sided war hammer
Iron pickaxe - Single sided war hammer
Fishing rod - Morning star

Axes

Diamond ax - Double bladed war ax
Iron ax - Single bladed war ax
Stone ax - hatchet

Scythes, staffs, spears

Diamond shovel - Halberd
Iron shovel - poleaxe
Diamond hoe - scythe
Iron hoe - Glaive
Wooden shovel - Quarter staff
Stick - Wand (Situational)

Shields

Fence gate - Buckler
Wooden door - Kite shield
Iron door - Aegis

Armor

Leather helmet - Cap, undercap
Leather chestplate - Leather jerkin/tunic
Leather leggings - Chaps

Chain helmet - Chainmail coif
Chain chestplate - Chainmail vest/undervest, haulberk
Chain leggings - Chainmail links/undershorts

Iron helmet - Iron helm, face-exposed, retractable nose guard
Iron chestplate - Full iron iron chestplate, arms, guanlets, gorget, pauldrons
Iron leggings - Full iron plateleggings, extending down to boots
Iron boots - Full iron grieves

Diamond helmet - Full helm, face entirely covered - Eye slits, mouth slit
Diamond chestplate - Full diamond chestplate, arms, gauntlets, single, enunciated pauldron, gorget and waist-gorget
Diamond leggings - Full diamond plateleggings, extending down to boots
Diamond boots - Full diamond grieves, pointed sabatons for kicking

Golden helmet - Woven golden links/Metal-inscribed cloth
Golden chestplate - Woven golden links/metal inscribed vest
Golden Leggings - Woven golden robe, chainmail inscribed

[mageaegis]

hmm.... I don't disagree to this, although I believe I have yet to see someone who uses a shield irp

[severare]

Sept 22, 2012 9:52:17 GMT -5 mageaegis said:

hmm.... I don't disagree to this, although I believe I have yet to see someone who uses a shield irp

Datric and myself have both used them, as I believe one or two others may have. The shields were included because there's a warrior skill, "Shield", in which you actually wield an iron door to reduce damage received. The buckler and kite are juts a possible RP expansion to it.

[mageaegis]

right I know about that, but that means for rp i would probably have to get a diamond sword.

[Orman Grandclaw]

As much as I wish there were a wider variety of stuff in minecraft, When I see a someone weilding a stick I still think "stick".

[Rowan.Pelanger]

If this gets accepted, someone should make a server texture pack to make the weapon thing easier to understand

[mageaegis]

Sept 22, 2012 10:24:40 GMT -5 Orman Grandclaw said:

As much as I wish there were a wider variety of stuff in minecraft, When I see a someone weilding a stick I still think "stick".

lol id love to hear he pulled out his club. No thats a stick.

[Shawn Benoit]

Scimitars? Rapiers? Maces?

[Rei.Blackwind]

Interesting ideas on the weapon thing. I do agree though that a texture pack would be in order to make it more reliably seen as such. I totally see blaze rods as wands though. LoL. Well at least the look more... Magical on default texture. A stick really just looks like a stick. Not even so much as a cudgel. As far as rp with shields. Datric slammed me into a tent with one last night. X.x. there are people that use them. It is avshame we don't have dual wield to help facilitate the appearance of a person using a sword and shield. It is weird to have to switch back and forth, but it still gets the point across at least.

[severare]

Sept 22, 2012 13:30:29 GMT -5 Shawn Benoit said:

Scimitars? Rapiers? Maces?

Rapier don't fit into the lore or time period, and would be generally ineffective against many of the weapons and armor used.
Scimitars don't necessarily fit into our period or location either, being middle-eastern and Asian, for the most part. Maces were in the original draft, but I appear to have deleted them. That's something we could figure out later.

[Shawn Benoit]

My New character will be using a mace, so I would appreciate that.

[bobruk098]

I'm not quite familiar with medieval weapons, so what's a halberd and a poleaxe (I take this one as a type of spear)?

[Rowan.Pelanger]

A halberd is a spear with an axe blade right below the tip of the spear. I'm also pretty sure a poleaxe is a synonym for halberd. I'll google that now.

-EDIT-
Pollaxes (not poleaxe) are almost identical to halberds, but have a much shorter spear tip (3-5") while halberds the tip of the spear is usually the size of a short sword or dagger. The axe and spear on a halberd may not be connected, although on pollaxes they are a single piece of metal. As the similarities are large they are quite often seen as synonyms for the same object. Also, to add to the "no duel wield" thing said by Aku, that AND shields are supposedly being considered by Mojang, and they have both been before.

Somethings that should be changes or added
Dolabra (google it)
Tomahawk replaces hatchet.
Smoke bomb (fire charges, smoke skill could change to use them as "ammo")
Quarterstaff switches tools with club.
Maces (priests can only use them irl so it would be sensible)
Replace the single and double edged war hammer and war axe with war hammer and battle axe and bearded axe respectively.
Spear/pike (glaives are like daggers on sticks, and not the same thing)
Flail or whip replaces morning star
Shears as the all-powerful HIDDEN-BLADE!!*LoZ getting a new item music play* (or some form of hidden weapon, for the "assassin" rogue classes)
Iron bars, ingots or leather as metal cestus/brass knuckles
Snowballs as thrown/slinged rocks

Also maybe add a list or make a new thread about items representing certain things within RP (bone meal or a bone as a pipe, gold nuggets as coins, etc...)

I am very serious about shear hidden blades:3 and quite a expert when it comes to medieval weaponry. I could make a version of the default textures with the tools changed to resemble their respective weapons.

A good resource for this stuff: www.medievalwarfare.info/weapons.htm

[sbongkh]

I am wondering what golden swords, golden pickaxes and other golden tools are IRP. Valfor has been known to use a sabre/katana like sword. Any room for a weapon like that?

[mageaegis]

Sept 22, 2012 13:47:30 GMT -5 Rowan.Pelanger said:

A halberd is a spear with an axe blade right below the tip of the spear. I'm also pretty sure a poleaxe is a synonym for halberd. I'll google that now.

-EDIT-
Pollaxes (not poleaxe) are almost identical to halberds, but have a much shorter spear tip (3-5") while halberds the tip of the spear is usually the size of a short sword or dagger. The axe and spear on a halberd may not be connected, although on pollaxes they are a single piece of metal. As the similarities are large they are quite often seen as synonyms for the same object. Also, to add to the "no duel wield" thing said by Aku, that AND shields are supposedly being considered by Mojang, and they have both been before.

Somethings that should be changes or added
Dolabra (google it)
Tomahawk replaces hatchet.
Smoke bomb (fire charges, smoke skill could change to use them as "ammo")
Quarterstaff switches tools with club.
Maces (priests can only use them irl so it would be sensible)
Replace the single and double edged war hammer and war axe with war hammer and battle axe and bearded axe respectively.
Spear/pike (glaives are like daggers on sticks, and not the same thing)
Flail or whip replaces morning star
Shears as the all-powerful HIDDEN-BLADE!!*LoZ getting a new item music play* (or some form of hidden weapon, for the "assassin" rogue classes)
Iron bars, ingots or leather as metal cestus/brass knuckles
Snowballs as thrown/slinged rocks

Also maybe add a list or make a new thread about items representing certain things within RP (bone meal or a bone as a pipe, gold nuggets as coins, etc...)

I am very serious about shear hidden blades:3 and quite a expert when it comes to medieval weaponry. I could make a version of the default textures with the tools changed to resemble their respective weapons.

A good resource for this stuff: www.medievalwarfare.info/weapons.htm

Umm... hidden blades are the wrong period, as a recall the hidden blades started in A.D. with the assassins of Assassins Creed.