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Post by shteve34 on May 23, 2012 16:19:02 GMT -5
ill join, if druids are accepted  this is a really good idea. As religion is loosely tied together with RP |
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Post by alwayzbored114 on May 23, 2012 21:13:48 GMT -5
Actually, if you read Ig's Dawn of Mirugan you will find that Zicmagar is only a blessed visitor to Artandan (which he then transformed into Mirugan). No history has ever been written of Zasuti. Thats the beautiful thing. We only have swiss cheese of history, full of holes and unexplored sides. So, what shall we do? We can WRITE history. Ill get the OK with the Admins, and we can proceed to creating more history to not only better this guild, but to better the Server Lore in its entirety |
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Post by minea on May 23, 2012 21:58:06 GMT -5
yea we got it. I think that the leader should be elected from the council of high priests along with a deputy/assistant (I guess I will play this role for now but my RP character wouldn't like to be in this position for long). The leader should bear the name Pontiff or Pontiff Maximus and like the pope will keep power until death. We should have a small standing army (this could include players who aren't of priest or dark priest class although they would have to prove dedication to the religion). This would be for protection and also to be used in extreme cases to crush heretics. I think Zasuti could remain as the god of evil although we should recognize that by being the god of evil he is also the god of the absence of evil. Kingmii, this post is completely flawed =-= A) As Elk was trying to argue, All Gods Are Equal, so there should not be one head person, solely the council. Each Member of the Council would represent their God and its Ideals, and with an Odd Number of Head Priests, Voting could be used. Also, you are going too Hard on the Catholic Church theme. This is Mirugan, not Vatican City. Make up your own names, ranks, lore, etc B) You do not need an Army. You are not a Country, nor a town. You are simply a Guild. If anyone were to attack the Priest HQ, which would only happen in a MAJOR RP happening, the various Armies of other countries will come to your aid. If you get an Army, you will most likely get Big Headed and use Force to insure God's Will. This is not the Medieval "Church > Government" C) A respectable guild cannot openly call one of their ideals "The God of Evil". So, as I said, Elk should preach that Zasuti is the God of Equality, bringing Power to the Weak. Unfortunately, that means Destruction of the Strong, but that little fact can be ignored within the teachings :b I have to say, that Kingmii talking about getting an army is realistic wlthough completely prone to corruption etc etc in the church. I mean look the knights templar they were the EXACT same thing, and in the end they becamse all about money and wealth and were disbanded and slain by King phillip i think? cant remember. So although its a realistic idea Kingmii, if you truley want to be a righteous rp priest and have an actual worshipping system that isnt corrupted then go with alwayz and just use the RMF and other armies to help you out in times of need. |
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Post by kingmii on May 24, 2012 4:02:43 GMT -5
This is my course of action with this that I believe to be fair and logical: I am trying to get Orman's Piece "The Nine Worlds" into official history. (Having trouble cause Admins are STILL playing Diablo =-=) But, once it does get accepted, it will be a major help. It describes 9 Different Dimensions and Lore about each. We could make it so that each God came from one of those worlds. Not only does it already give us ideas and an odd number of gods, but it helps with explaining their Origans, and which Towns of Mirugan they are associated with. Also, There will be no Elder Gods. As you said, All Gods are Equal. If you are just trying to weasel yourself into a higher standing above others, No. There will be the 9 Major Gods (Zicagmar, Zasuti, Nature God, Dwarven/Crafting God, God of the Sky, God of the Ocean, Vampire God/Solumde(Since Vampires reside in Lava areas), and the "Mushroom God" or something of that sort that we can make up later) The Head Priests of those 9 Gods will make up the Council. All Other Priests will be disciples of the Head Priests; Same God Worshipped, but not as high rank. Also, again, you should not, and most likely will not, have any kind of Protection Force. You are a Neutral Guild that WILL NOT be attacked, except for Admin-Drawn Super Events, so you need not worry. AGAIN, this is not the medieval church, you will not be a physical force, just a spiritual. If anyone did attack you, I will guarantee that 90% of the World's Inhabitance will come to your aid I think that it is the very nature or absolutest religion to have physical protectors; can you think of a religion that does not, or never has?.I understand your point and will not pursue this any more I think that at some point a guild devoted to protection and enforcement of the religion its self should be set up. Also I said the midievil church was a good source of inspiration I did not say I wanted to recreate it I just thought it had some interesting characteristics which would be fun to emulate; if people disagree that's fine we are all dedicated to creating the best RP experience possible and I am when the details are completely settled this guild will contribute to this. Anyway what we really need more than anything right now is a decent name. Edit: and also we shouldn't aim to make a guild that runs perfectly at first. A bit of corruption, cruelty, opposition , scandal and other problems will be fun obstacles in RP. Who wants to be in a guild where nothing much happens? |
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Post by Orman Grandclaw on May 24, 2012 6:53:30 GMT -5
Well anyhow-I will be extending Nine Worlds in earnest next week. We will judge the stuff as its written.
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Post by sbongkh on May 27, 2012 2:42:03 GMT -5
Can i be head Solumde Priest, or is that not a major god? You ain't a priest Bob. |
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Post by elkanman on May 27, 2012 3:07:40 GMT -5
Actually, if you read Ig's Dawn of Mirugan you will find that Zicmagar is only a blessed visitor to Artandan (which he then transformed into Mirugan). No history has ever been written of Zasuti. Thats the beautiful thing. We only have swiss cheese of history, full of holes and unexplored sides. So, what shall we do? We can WRITE history. Ill get the OK with the Admins, and we can proceed to creating more history to not only better this guild, but to better the Server Lore in its entirety This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Thank you alwayz! On a side note: I only suggested the high priests because I feel like it will be hard to organize 9 people (for the nine worlds/gods) to get together for one meeting. I think that 4-6 is a more reasonable number to organize. NOTE TO ALWAYZ: I am not trying to control the church or get a higher position! I am only thinking of how the guild can best function, I can't see anyone being able to organize 9 people to attend a meeting. I do not want to be working against you alwayz, please stop the comments about me trying to corrupt everything or become super powerful. I know I've been a dick to you and I'm sorry for that, but please have a little respect for me. More about the gods: Also I feel like some of the worlds in "the nine worlds" are kind of extra...if you know what I mean. Such as Almire, I don't think vampires need their own world because they feed off the living in the living world. Also Atlantis, at least to my knowledge, has never been talked about or referred to in the server rp. Also it seems over used. |
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Post by krazzie on May 27, 2012 3:13:29 GMT -5
If this get accepted or whatever, I'll give you my cathedral I built.
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Post by elkanman on May 27, 2012 3:14:14 GMT -5
For those that want to join the "Priesthood" (we will call it that for now) please wait until after we set up the history of the gods and the basic structure of the guild before asking to join.
If you do want to join you must be a priest/dark priest or a spec of one. You also must have some connection (I mean in the loosest of ways, such as worship/respect you don't necessarily need to be able to talk to them) to a god or the gods in rp. Please start becoming more like a person of religion in rp if you are planning on joining this guild.
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Post by elkanman on May 27, 2012 3:15:34 GMT -5
If this get accepted or whatever, I'll give you my cathedral I built. Awesome! Can you give me the coords to your Cathedral so that I can take a look at it? |
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Post by Orman Grandclaw on May 27, 2012 7:12:06 GMT -5
Thats the beautiful thing. We only have swiss cheese of history, full of holes and unexplored sides. So, what shall we do? We can WRITE history. Ill get the OK with the Admins, and we can proceed to creating more history to not only better this guild, but to better the Server Lore in its entirety This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Thank you alwayz! On a side note: I only suggested the high priests because I feel like it will be hard to organize 9 people (for the nine worlds/gods) to get together for one meeting. I think that 4-6 is a more reasonable number to organize. NOTE TO ALWAYZ: I am not trying to control the church or get a higher position! I am only thinking of how the guild can best function, I can't see anyone being able to organize 9 people to attend a meeting. I do not want to be working against you alwayz, please stop the comments about me trying to corrupt everything or become super powerful. I know I've been a dick to you and I'm sorry for that, but please have a little respect for me. More about the gods: Also I feel like some of the worlds in "the nine worlds" are kind of extra...if you know what I mean. Such as Almire, I don't think vampires need their own world because they feed off the living in the living world. Also Atlantis, at least to my knowledge, has never been talked about or referred to in the server rp. Also it seems over used. Actually, Vampires here are a bit different. They are not the cliche undead creatures of the night here. |
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Post by elkanman on May 27, 2012 9:10:04 GMT -5
Still I don't feel like they need their own world |
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Post by alwayzbored114 on May 27, 2012 10:16:27 GMT -5
The Lore of the Nine Worlds is that at first, all the worlds were seperate, never touching. When Zicamgar created Mirugan out of the ashes of Artandan, it created the first Non-Immortal Sentient Species. Also, Mirugan being the central world, different parts of Mirugan are influenced by the Original 9 Worlds. Mirkwood is influenced by Amazonia, Cliffside is influenced by Kazad-Dum, etc.
Also, each of the 9 Worlds had their own god that can be traced to Mirugan. For example, The God of Atlantis (Which I agree should get a name change) would be God of Water and Oceans.
Also, as Orman said, the Vampires of Almire were Pure Blood and Immortal. The people we call Vampires now are simply offspring of the original purebloods, but with slow degradation of Pure-Blood-Ness over time. Same with the Bretons (decendants of Skylords), they arnt immortal like the Skylords, but they are still different from Humans
Lastly, having the Organization of the 9 High Priests would be hard, but if carefully organized, one can figure it out.
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Post by Rei.Blackwind on May 27, 2012 12:32:20 GMT -5
I agree with Alwayz on that accord. While 9 is hard to gather, you can find a way. Maybe use form PM for an absentee method to communicate. Overall, the idea is great. The nine worlds can still use a little tweaking as well. This is making great progress.
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Post by elkanman on May 27, 2012 13:31:03 GMT -5
Perfect, now all we need to do is wait for the admins to hopefully accept the 9 worlds as official history! All thats left is to finish the history of each world! You can probably get some help with this Orman, I doubt you want to write them all by yourself Side note: So if there are 9 worlds does that mean there are 9 gods? |
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this is a really good idea. As religion is loosely tied together with RP
